Combat or self defence

[nz_ROB]

What is the difference, in your own opinion, in training for self defence and training for combat? What would you do differently, and why?

[Pocahontas]

For me, self defence involves stopping the person hurting me as much as possible and getting away from them as quickly as I can.

Not sure which type of combat you mean, in a sporting way you want to stay in the fight and not run away so you can get them to submit, preferably without breaking them in the process. In a real life combat-style war or something, I guess you'd just want to damage them effectively?

[Goober]

What is the difference, in your own opinion, in training for self defence and training for combat? What would you do differently, and why?

The rules are completely different.

[Genghis]

Combat: similar objectives - each side wishes to fight and win.

Self defence: different objectives, where only one can succeed.  (E.g. he wants my wallet and doesn't mind hurting me to get it, I don't want to get hurt with a preference that this also involves him not having my wallet, only one of us is going to get what we want.)

G

[Matt NZ]

What is the difference, in your own opinion, in training for self defence and training for combat? What would you do differently, and why?

Goober is right the rules are different however IMHO:

Self Defence: I'd train very militaristic, no fluffy circle's, no 'showing control with technique', no submitions...just straight breaks, eyes, balls, knee kicks, throat strikes.  Training to use whatever is on hand as an 'equilizer weapon' e.g. salt shaker, your belt, keys, coins, pen.

Combat (Sport): I'd be alot nicer as he/she is probably a mate - show control (i.e. take them to the point to submission and then slowly apply pressure) etc etc

[nz_ROB]

What is the difference, in your own opinion, in training for self defence and training for combat? What would you do differently, and why?

The rules are completely different.

Care to elaborate .. as per the original question  

[Goober]

What is the difference, in your own opinion, in training for self defence and training for combat? What would you do differently, and why?

The rules are completely different.

Care to elaborate .. as per the original question  

The rules of combat sport, are the rules of whatever combat sport you are competing in. The rules of self defence are called "the law" and generally only one of the participants in any given scenario is trying to abide by them.

HTH

[nz_ROB]

You and Matt NZ totally misread the question - there was no mention of SPORT in my original question - have a rethink  

[bombchucka]

Combat = using a gun, or preferably a cruise missile?

[nz_ROB]

Combat = using a gun, or preferably a cruise missile?

Yes, yes, so last year .. and not at all useful in a martial arts discussion forum  <yawn>

[Genghis]

Combat = using a gun, or preferably a cruise missile?

Yes, yes, so last year .. and not at all useful in a martial arts discussion forum  <yawn>

Yes, I get fed up of the standard line you always get when doing a public demo "but it's no good against an Uzi 9mm / Super Blackhawk / SA80 / totally unavailable exotic weapon of choice".  It's bollox point - and misses the entire point of martial arts.

I've never quite got my response right to these f***wit comments, but a good one *might* be: "okay let's see - step onto the mat and attack me with whatever firearms you happen to be carrying at the moment, and I'll defend myself with what I know, and we'll see what works best".

G

[Fluffy_the_happy_lobster]

"okay let's see - step onto the mat and attack me with whatever firearms you happen to be carrying at the moment, and I'll defend myself with what I know, and we'll see what works best"

That does have the potential to go horribly wrong though, depending on your audience...

Combat v self defence - the objectives, and therefore the strategy involved is different. One is proactive, the other reactive.

[Genghis]

"okay let's see - step onto the mat and attack me with whatever firearms you happen to be carrying at the moment, and I'll defend myself with what I know, and we'll see what works best"

That does have the potential to go horribly wrong though, depending on your audience...

Nonetheless, I might just try it - after all, who is going to (a) carry a firearm, and (b) tell a complete stranger in a public park?

G

[Fluffy_the_happy_lobster]

If I come across them, I will probably call them 'sir' and give them whatever they want.

[Gorbash]

What is the difference, in your own opinion, in training for self defence and training for combat? What would you do differently, and why?

I don't have an answer to this, i personally don't pay too much mind on the idea of self defence... or maybe i don't pay too much mind on either combat or self defence.

self defence involves stopping the person hurting me as much as possible and getting away from them as quickly as I can.

Combat: similar objectives - each side wishes to fight and win.

Self defence: different objectives, where only one can succeed. (E.g. he wants my wallet and doesn't mind hurting me to get it, I don't want to get hurt with a preference that this also involves him not having my wallet, only one of us is going to get what we want.)

with the quotes above i fail to see why they are limited to either "self defence" or "combat". They seem to encompass both to me